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		<title>By: LtCol Fred &#38; Mary Lou Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>LtCol Fred &#38; Mary Lou Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are looking for Sein Myint who went through US Air Force pilot training at Moody AFB, GA USA in the early 1960&#039;s.  He was a student of my husband, Fred Porter, and we would love to touch base with him again.  Dr. Myint, might you be that same person???  Thank you so much.  You may contact us at marylou@pdspp.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are looking for Sein Myint who went through US Air Force pilot training at Moody AFB, GA USA in the early 1960&#8217;s.  He was a student of my husband, Fred Porter, and we would love to touch base with him again.  Dr. Myint, might you be that same person???  Thank you so much.  You may contact us at <a href="mailto:marylou@pdspp.com">marylou@pdspp.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sein Myint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Sein Myint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shocking news of the assassination of KNU Secretary General Padoh Mahan Sha flashed thru the exile media and Thai papers this morning. The ugly face of political assassination has yet again shown up just within a few months, after December assassination of Pakistan’s Opposition leader Mrs. Benazir Bhutto. 

Just like Mrs. Bhutto, Padoh Mhan Sha has become a target of many KNU’s political and military opponents, living not so far from his domicile, Mae Sod, the wide west border town at Thai-Burma border. And this incident obviously demonstrated the reality of dangerous situation along this border region that those leaders and activists living in this area should not take it for granted of their safety and security, with questionable ability and motivation of local law reinforcements.

I met Padoh on eve of Karen New Year day in Mae Sot two years ago to pay my respect and courtesy call at the same house that he was assassinated. Before I met him, I had visited General Thamalar Baw, another KNU top leader living in Ma Sot as well. I was kindly accompanied by NCUB General Secretary U Mg MG and Joint Secretary U Myint Thein on both visits. I was quite surprised to see relax and normal environments at both leaders’ places. There were a few persons around at the General house, and the gate was shut and locked when we arrived there. But there were no signs of security at Padoh’s house and the gate was opened when we arrived there. 

I thought to myself, perhaps, since we had informed in advance to both of them of our visits, Padoh must have let the gate opened for our convenience. I wonder how much security have been placed around the SPDC leaders palaces in Naypyidaw. The entry to Naypyidaw itself needs some security clearance, as I have been told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shocking news of the assassination of KNU Secretary General Padoh Mahan Sha flashed thru the exile media and Thai papers this morning. The ugly face of political assassination has yet again shown up just within a few months, after December assassination of Pakistan’s Opposition leader Mrs. Benazir Bhutto. </p>
<p>Just like Mrs. Bhutto, Padoh Mhan Sha has become a target of many KNU’s political and military opponents, living not so far from his domicile, Mae Sod, the wide west border town at Thai-Burma border. And this incident obviously demonstrated the reality of dangerous situation along this border region that those leaders and activists living in this area should not take it for granted of their safety and security, with questionable ability and motivation of local law reinforcements.</p>
<p>I met Padoh on eve of Karen New Year day in Mae Sot two years ago to pay my respect and courtesy call at the same house that he was assassinated. Before I met him, I had visited General Thamalar Baw, another KNU top leader living in Ma Sot as well. I was kindly accompanied by NCUB General Secretary U Mg MG and Joint Secretary U Myint Thein on both visits. I was quite surprised to see relax and normal environments at both leaders’ places. There were a few persons around at the General house, and the gate was shut and locked when we arrived there. But there were no signs of security at Padoh’s house and the gate was opened when we arrived there. </p>
<p>I thought to myself, perhaps, since we had informed in advance to both of them of our visits, Padoh must have let the gate opened for our convenience. I wonder how much security have been placed around the SPDC leaders palaces in Naypyidaw. The entry to Naypyidaw itself needs some security clearance, as I have been told.</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Sein Myint, if Mia Farrow, on her own, can make the difference then the NCGUB and the democratic movement have to find a way the change China&#039;s policy vis-a-vis Burma. As I was watching the Late Night News tonight I saw a statement put out by the Director Stephen Spielberg that he&#039;s quitting as a Director for Arts at the Beijing Olympics because he could no longer work on his conscience as long as China&#039;s been protecting the genocidal regime of Sudan at the UNSC and because of China&#039;s policy people in the Darfur region have been killed or displaced in their millions. It was reported that Mia Farrow has managed to persuade Spielberg to quit. 
China with the forthcoming Olympics is definitely the &#039;thumbscrew&#039; for those who wants China to change it policies on Burma, Tibet, Sudan Darfur and others. Even if we cannot find our &#039;Mia Farrow&#039; we still have another kind of &#039;thumbscrew&#039; to use.
Why do you think that Chinese leaders asked the late Soe Win to protect the millions of Chinese now living, both legally and illegally, in Burma? There&#039;s always a potential for that &#039;spark&#039; to ignite. Like Robert Fisk said, &quot;One must never forget history&quot;. History hasn&#039;t been kind to these communities in the Southeast Asian countries. 
Forgot to mention about the new US President and your hope for the future. When Bill Clinton was in office he was more keen to get a good deal for his Akansas chicken farmers with the Chinese than putting pressure on China with the issue on Burma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Sein Myint, if Mia Farrow, on her own, can make the difference then the NCGUB and the democratic movement have to find a way the change China&#8217;s policy vis-a-vis Burma. As I was watching the Late Night News tonight I saw a statement put out by the Director Stephen Spielberg that he&#8217;s quitting as a Director for Arts at the Beijing Olympics because he could no longer work on his conscience as long as China&#8217;s been protecting the genocidal regime of Sudan at the UNSC and because of China&#8217;s policy people in the Darfur region have been killed or displaced in their millions. It was reported that Mia Farrow has managed to persuade Spielberg to quit.<br />
China with the forthcoming Olympics is definitely the &#8216;thumbscrew&#8217; for those who wants China to change it policies on Burma, Tibet, Sudan Darfur and others. Even if we cannot find our &#8216;Mia Farrow&#8217; we still have another kind of &#8216;thumbscrew&#8217; to use.<br />
Why do you think that Chinese leaders asked the late Soe Win to protect the millions of Chinese now living, both legally and illegally, in Burma? There&#8217;s always a potential for that &#8217;spark&#8217; to ignite. Like Robert Fisk said, &#8220;One must never forget history&#8221;. History hasn&#8217;t been kind to these communities in the Southeast Asian countries.<br />
Forgot to mention about the new US President and your hope for the future. When Bill Clinton was in office he was more keen to get a good deal for his Akansas chicken farmers with the Chinese than putting pressure on China with the issue on Burma.</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Sein Myint, here&#039;s an article for you to have a look at. It&#039;s regarding to China&#039;s policy on Burma. Politics is never what it looks like, one has to go deeper, read between the lines, something that must be tested with competing hypotheses. As the article says:
Quote &quot;Rethinking Beijing&#039;s Burma policy 
JASON QIAN AND ANNE WU, Bangkok Post, February 12, 2008

As a political ally and key economic partner of Burma&#039;s military government, China should not only continue to actively engage the Burma junta, but also delicately reach out to opposition groups. In recent years, China&#039;s use of peaceful diplomatic &#039;&#039;soft power&#039;&#039; has won it much applause around the world. But one risk is that such applause at times comes from the elites without a grassroots echo. 

In dealing with a country like Burma, China should consider how its own interests would be affected by a change in that neighbour&#039;s political landscape.

China is cautiously taking initiatives to avoid potential setbacks. When China&#039;s special envoy Wang Yi visited Burma last November, he urged the government to resolve the political crisis through dialogue and to attain political stability soon. 

It was also reported that China maintains relations with several former rebel groups that now have made peace with the government, and that China is willing to listen to opposition groups.

These are encouraging signs that China is shifting its Burma policy to be more flexible.

China should stay in the driver&#039;s seat amid international efforts to spur change in Burma, using the United Nations at times as a forum to gauge international concerns, to nurture positive cohesion, and to measure steps to take.

No country chooses to have its domestic issues internationalised. But Burma may accept UN intervention as a makeshift strategy to subdue international criticism. There is a risk to China that if it lets other countries take the initiative on Burma, it could end up being sandwiched between Burma and other major powers.

China would want to avoid choosing sides in Burma, so as not to compromise its holistic interests. A more effective route is to manage relations with all to maximise common interest. To achieve this, the motto of &#039;&#039;there are no permanent friends or enemies in international relations&#039;&#039; is the key.

China is seen as see-sawing. On the one hand, it insists on non-interference in Burma&#039;s internal affairs. Last January, China used its veto power _ for the fifth time in history _ to defeat a UN Security Council resolution condemning Burma&#039;s human rights situation. 

On the other hand, China helped facilitate two visits to Burma by Ibrahim Gambari, special envoy of the UN secretary-general, after the crackdown late last year on the monks&#039; demonstration. Ironically, the latter resulted from the former, because China&#039;s influence stems from its credibility in making friends and refraining from pointing fingers at other countries&#039; domestic affairs.

A &#039;&#039;no-preaching&#039;&#039; style only increased China&#039;s influence.

A peaceful Burmese domestic situation and positive Sino-Burma relations are important for China&#039;s strategic and economic interests. China and Burma share a 2,100km border. 

As in the case of North Korea, China does not want the problems of a neighbour like Burma spilling over into its own territory. Burma is also part of China&#039;s strategic configuration with other regional and international players.

Economically, China has become Burma&#039;s second-largest trading partner, and the two countries are collaborating on several major projects, including a 2,300km oil and gas pipeline that connects China&#039;s landlocked Yunnan province to Burma&#039;s coast.

This pipeline will directly transport oil and gas from the Middle East and Africa into China, therefore circumventing the problems of passing the Malacca Strait. Such a strategic project is both a liability and an asset as China tries to leverage Burma, given China&#039;s thirst for energy and Burma&#039;s hunger for development.

Because of the inter-locking interests, China sees Burma as more a problematic neighbour than a threat to international peace and security _ which explains China&#039;s aversion to UN Security Council actions.

But this also underlines the importance of a more proactive policy by Beijing itself.

China&#039;s Burma policy is facing a bigger challenge with the approach of the Olympic Games. China cannot afford another source of instability in its foreign affairs.

Beijing should pursue an active diplomacy of &#039;&#039;intervening without interfering&#039;&#039;, and try to steer Burmese authorities toward greater engagement with the opposition and the international community for the purpose of national reconciliation.

Not the least of the advantages for China of such a policy is that it will keep a door slightly open to future alternative prospects in Burma.

Jason Qian is a fellow at the Harvard Negotiation Project at Harvard Law School. Anne Wu is an associate at the Belfer Centre for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University&#039;s Kennedy School of Government.&quot; Unquote

According to one of the laws of  power, you have found what China&#039;s chink in the armour - disruption of the Olympic Games. That&#039;s the &#039;thumbscrew&#039; for you to work on. The law goes like this, &quot;Everyone has a weakness, a gap in the castle wall. That weakness is usually an insecurity, an uncontrollable emotion or need; it can also be a small secret pleasure. Either way, once found, it is a thumbscrew you can turn to your advantage.&quot;
China put a huge stage on the success and smooth running of the Games to launch itself of its rightful place in international affairs. It&#039;s an &#039;image&#039; thing as well as a gamble. China has invested a lot in the Games with the hope that with the benefit from the Games and those to be gained also from the World Expo to be held in Shanghai 2010 as such it will lift it people to the next level in their standard of living. Chinese will say, &quot;Who needs democracy when you can live a good life?&quot;.
Check out what Larry Jagan had to say in his article in the Bangkok Post on 12 February with the headline, &quot;The Junta&#039;s slow march to democracy&quot;. Until next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Sein Myint, here&#8217;s an article for you to have a look at. It&#8217;s regarding to China&#8217;s policy on Burma. Politics is never what it looks like, one has to go deeper, read between the lines, something that must be tested with competing hypotheses. As the article says:<br />
Quote &#8220;Rethinking Beijing&#8217;s Burma policy<br />
JASON QIAN AND ANNE WU, Bangkok Post, February 12, 2008</p>
<p>As a political ally and key economic partner of Burma&#8217;s military government, China should not only continue to actively engage the Burma junta, but also delicately reach out to opposition groups. In recent years, China&#8217;s use of peaceful diplomatic &#8216;&#8217;soft power&#8221; has won it much applause around the world. But one risk is that such applause at times comes from the elites without a grassroots echo. </p>
<p>In dealing with a country like Burma, China should consider how its own interests would be affected by a change in that neighbour&#8217;s political landscape.</p>
<p>China is cautiously taking initiatives to avoid potential setbacks. When China&#8217;s special envoy Wang Yi visited Burma last November, he urged the government to resolve the political crisis through dialogue and to attain political stability soon. </p>
<p>It was also reported that China maintains relations with several former rebel groups that now have made peace with the government, and that China is willing to listen to opposition groups.</p>
<p>These are encouraging signs that China is shifting its Burma policy to be more flexible.</p>
<p>China should stay in the driver&#8217;s seat amid international efforts to spur change in Burma, using the United Nations at times as a forum to gauge international concerns, to nurture positive cohesion, and to measure steps to take.</p>
<p>No country chooses to have its domestic issues internationalised. But Burma may accept UN intervention as a makeshift strategy to subdue international criticism. There is a risk to China that if it lets other countries take the initiative on Burma, it could end up being sandwiched between Burma and other major powers.</p>
<p>China would want to avoid choosing sides in Burma, so as not to compromise its holistic interests. A more effective route is to manage relations with all to maximise common interest. To achieve this, the motto of &#8221;there are no permanent friends or enemies in international relations&#8221; is the key.</p>
<p>China is seen as see-sawing. On the one hand, it insists on non-interference in Burma&#8217;s internal affairs. Last January, China used its veto power _ for the fifth time in history _ to defeat a UN Security Council resolution condemning Burma&#8217;s human rights situation. </p>
<p>On the other hand, China helped facilitate two visits to Burma by Ibrahim Gambari, special envoy of the UN secretary-general, after the crackdown late last year on the monks&#8217; demonstration. Ironically, the latter resulted from the former, because China&#8217;s influence stems from its credibility in making friends and refraining from pointing fingers at other countries&#8217; domestic affairs.</p>
<p>A &#8221;no-preaching&#8221; style only increased China&#8217;s influence.</p>
<p>A peaceful Burmese domestic situation and positive Sino-Burma relations are important for China&#8217;s strategic and economic interests. China and Burma share a 2,100km border. </p>
<p>As in the case of North Korea, China does not want the problems of a neighbour like Burma spilling over into its own territory. Burma is also part of China&#8217;s strategic configuration with other regional and international players.</p>
<p>Economically, China has become Burma&#8217;s second-largest trading partner, and the two countries are collaborating on several major projects, including a 2,300km oil and gas pipeline that connects China&#8217;s landlocked Yunnan province to Burma&#8217;s coast.</p>
<p>This pipeline will directly transport oil and gas from the Middle East and Africa into China, therefore circumventing the problems of passing the Malacca Strait. Such a strategic project is both a liability and an asset as China tries to leverage Burma, given China&#8217;s thirst for energy and Burma&#8217;s hunger for development.</p>
<p>Because of the inter-locking interests, China sees Burma as more a problematic neighbour than a threat to international peace and security _ which explains China&#8217;s aversion to UN Security Council actions.</p>
<p>But this also underlines the importance of a more proactive policy by Beijing itself.</p>
<p>China&#8217;s Burma policy is facing a bigger challenge with the approach of the Olympic Games. China cannot afford another source of instability in its foreign affairs.</p>
<p>Beijing should pursue an active diplomacy of &#8221;intervening without interfering&#8221;, and try to steer Burmese authorities toward greater engagement with the opposition and the international community for the purpose of national reconciliation.</p>
<p>Not the least of the advantages for China of such a policy is that it will keep a door slightly open to future alternative prospects in Burma.</p>
<p>Jason Qian is a fellow at the Harvard Negotiation Project at Harvard Law School. Anne Wu is an associate at the Belfer Centre for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University&#8217;s Kennedy School of Government.&#8221; Unquote</p>
<p>According to one of the laws of  power, you have found what China&#8217;s chink in the armour &#8211; disruption of the Olympic Games. That&#8217;s the &#8216;thumbscrew&#8217; for you to work on. The law goes like this, &#8220;Everyone has a weakness, a gap in the castle wall. That weakness is usually an insecurity, an uncontrollable emotion or need; it can also be a small secret pleasure. Either way, once found, it is a thumbscrew you can turn to your advantage.&#8221;<br />
China put a huge stage on the success and smooth running of the Games to launch itself of its rightful place in international affairs. It&#8217;s an &#8216;image&#8217; thing as well as a gamble. China has invested a lot in the Games with the hope that with the benefit from the Games and those to be gained also from the World Expo to be held in Shanghai 2010 as such it will lift it people to the next level in their standard of living. Chinese will say, &#8220;Who needs democracy when you can live a good life?&#8221;.<br />
Check out what Larry Jagan had to say in his article in the Bangkok Post on 12 February with the headline, &#8220;The Junta&#8217;s slow march to democracy&#8221;. Until next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Sein Myint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Sein Myint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear U Tettoe Aung, No apology is necessary as no offence was taken. Just taking a given opportunity to clarify the myths associated by this name-forsaken title.  

I am not sure it will be a “political suicide” or “political survival’ for DASSK to leave the country, to challenge the military rulers in Burma from outside. And JHB has no official position or policy on this matter as well since no one has proposed this matter for discussions or debate. Some of members would probably have their views on this matter, but never proposed to JHB for formal policy.  

I would be more inclined towards Karl Popper that not only he has scientific thinking/philosophy but also much in line with his theories on cosmology supportive of Einstein General Relativity theory. And the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanic based upon Heisenberg’s “uncertainty principle” led to the famous Einstein’s statement that “God does not play dice’. 

China is and will be the major player on Burma affairs, as more and more bilateral economic and security ties are in place. The question is how can we (Burmese oppositions) convinced China to stop supporting the Junta and help to introduce democracy and human rights in Burma, while they have not done it themselves yet. The US can put real pressure on China, as there are so much economic ties between the two countries, but we can be sure on that the US will not use effectively them for Burma. But again I might be wrong if new democrat president and more liberal Congress is elected in coming November, and adopts new China policies. We’ll have to wait and see with ‘open minds’.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear U Tettoe Aung, No apology is necessary as no offence was taken. Just taking a given opportunity to clarify the myths associated by this name-forsaken title.  </p>
<p>I am not sure it will be a “political suicide” or “political survival’ for DASSK to leave the country, to challenge the military rulers in Burma from outside. And JHB has no official position or policy on this matter as well since no one has proposed this matter for discussions or debate. Some of members would probably have their views on this matter, but never proposed to JHB for formal policy.  </p>
<p>I would be more inclined towards Karl Popper that not only he has scientific thinking/philosophy but also much in line with his theories on cosmology supportive of Einstein General Relativity theory. And the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanic based upon Heisenberg’s “uncertainty principle” led to the famous Einstein’s statement that “God does not play dice’. </p>
<p>China is and will be the major player on Burma affairs, as more and more bilateral economic and security ties are in place. The question is how can we (Burmese oppositions) convinced China to stop supporting the Junta and help to introduce democracy and human rights in Burma, while they have not done it themselves yet. The US can put real pressure on China, as there are so much economic ties between the two countries, but we can be sure on that the US will not use effectively them for Burma. But again I might be wrong if new democrat president and more liberal Congress is elected in coming November, and adopts new China policies. We’ll have to wait and see with ‘open minds’.</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apology Dr Sein Myint, if I have offended you. We have a &#039;sorry&#039; day in Australia yesterday. But it&#039;s not because of that I&#039;m saying sorry. I should know that how much effort you&#039;ve put into your studies to get that. I thought you, of all people should know that Daw Suu leaving the country will be &#039;political suicide&#039; since you&#039;re in JHB as well. But as they say, &#039;Expertise is commitment coupled with creativity&#039; then you can become one in no time. Who do you like more, Karl Popper or Michel Foucault?
You haven&#039;t tell me what you think about &#039;creating political awareness&#039; among the people reminding them that if they let this happen again like in 1974, then they would be looking at &#039;life under the military regime in civilian clothes for a long time to come&#039;. We have to remind them that political landscape have changed and there&#039;s no Cold War to take into account. We should also reminded them that like Bogyoke Aung San said, &quot;the enemy is right next to you&quot;. Since the USDA have been given free reign to do any crime the people should look at options of which the finger could be pointed at them.
In Burmese they called this &#039;chet-char che-pyaung ache-anay&#039; (critical time) where change could be introduced. China will definitely be worried if there is political unrest in its own backyard close to the Olympics. Despite claims that &#039;politics and sports&#039; don&#039;t mix in reality it&#039;s the opposite. According to H. Lasswell, &#039;Politics is .. who gets what, when, how..&#039; then as human we should be concerned with &#039;human rights&#039;. Lets be frank, China was given the Games on the proviso that it human rights records will improve. For the sake of its &#039;energy security&#039; it shouldn&#039;t be let off the hook for its policy towards Burma, Darfur or Tibet. China won&#039;t lift a finger until and unless we show them that we are serious about the games.
We cannot confront &#039;directly&#039; with the military regime (when it has the military behind them). Like T.E. Lawrence said, &quot;..suppose we were (as we might be) an influence, an idea, a thing intangible, invulnerable, without front or back, drifting about like a gas?&quot;
Please do not expect &#039;clear cut answers&#039; when you&#039;re dealing with complex matters. Keep an open mind, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apology Dr Sein Myint, if I have offended you. We have a &#8217;sorry&#8217; day in Australia yesterday. But it&#8217;s not because of that I&#8217;m saying sorry. I should know that how much effort you&#8217;ve put into your studies to get that. I thought you, of all people should know that Daw Suu leaving the country will be &#8216;political suicide&#8217; since you&#8217;re in JHB as well. But as they say, &#8216;Expertise is commitment coupled with creativity&#8217; then you can become one in no time. Who do you like more, Karl Popper or Michel Foucault?<br />
You haven&#8217;t tell me what you think about &#8216;creating political awareness&#8217; among the people reminding them that if they let this happen again like in 1974, then they would be looking at &#8216;life under the military regime in civilian clothes for a long time to come&#8217;. We have to remind them that political landscape have changed and there&#8217;s no Cold War to take into account. We should also reminded them that like Bogyoke Aung San said, &#8220;the enemy is right next to you&#8221;. Since the USDA have been given free reign to do any crime the people should look at options of which the finger could be pointed at them.<br />
In Burmese they called this &#8216;chet-char che-pyaung ache-anay&#8217; (critical time) where change could be introduced. China will definitely be worried if there is political unrest in its own backyard close to the Olympics. Despite claims that &#8216;politics and sports&#8217; don&#8217;t mix in reality it&#8217;s the opposite. According to H. Lasswell, &#8216;Politics is .. who gets what, when, how..&#8217; then as human we should be concerned with &#8216;human rights&#8217;. Lets be frank, China was given the Games on the proviso that it human rights records will improve. For the sake of its &#8216;energy security&#8217; it shouldn&#8217;t be let off the hook for its policy towards Burma, Darfur or Tibet. China won&#8217;t lift a finger until and unless we show them that we are serious about the games.<br />
We cannot confront &#8216;directly&#8217; with the military regime (when it has the military behind them). Like T.E. Lawrence said, &#8220;..suppose we were (as we might be) an influence, an idea, a thing intangible, invulnerable, without front or back, drifting about like a gas?&#8221;<br />
Please do not expect &#8216;clear cut answers&#8217; when you&#8217;re dealing with complex matters. Keep an open mind, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Sein Myint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Sein Myint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear U Tettoe Aung, First of all, let me clarified about my doctorate and the general views with regards to those who take the title Ph.D., which means Doctor of Philosophy. The doctorate research process include in depth research done on the selected specific subject, and develop original theories associated with the subject that need to be accepted and published via a respectable relevant journal to the public for comments. After 3-4 years of research work and finally a long viva (6-8 hours) interview with appointed renowned expects and specialists on the subject (at least 3 persons) on submitted thesis and defending your original theory, the fate of the researcher was sealed. Either Pass, fail or relegated to M.Phil, a normal process in British Universities. 

So in contrast to general views, the reality is that the doctorates are just specialists in the selected subject, not expected to be know-every thing generalized experts, unlike the politicians who are normally expected to know all issues, at least in general. 

As I have been trained in a physical science not in a political or social science, I dare and will not claim to know every thing in political and social field, but still on a learning curve with the help of my disciplined intellectual capacity.    

I had contemplated on the likelihood scenario of DASSY leaving the country and potentially becoming another Dalai Lama of Burma. And I am not sure even if the military will let her leave the country now, may be or may be not, as situations are not the same as in 1999 when her husband Dr. Michael Aris died in England. And also depends upon what implications that might effect on them by letting her leave the country. If they can contain her under house arrest until such a time that they can establish a legal military control civilian government in Burma, perhaps by 2010 according to their time table.

Thus, there are no clear cut answers to those questions, and hence I called for the ‘debate’ to discuss on this important matter, which could have a long time effect on our strategy. All pro and cons could be addressed on this matter formally at the forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear U Tettoe Aung, First of all, let me clarified about my doctorate and the general views with regards to those who take the title Ph.D., which means Doctor of Philosophy. The doctorate research process include in depth research done on the selected specific subject, and develop original theories associated with the subject that need to be accepted and published via a respectable relevant journal to the public for comments. After 3-4 years of research work and finally a long viva (6-8 hours) interview with appointed renowned expects and specialists on the subject (at least 3 persons) on submitted thesis and defending your original theory, the fate of the researcher was sealed. Either Pass, fail or relegated to M.Phil, a normal process in British Universities. </p>
<p>So in contrast to general views, the reality is that the doctorates are just specialists in the selected subject, not expected to be know-every thing generalized experts, unlike the politicians who are normally expected to know all issues, at least in general. </p>
<p>As I have been trained in a physical science not in a political or social science, I dare and will not claim to know every thing in political and social field, but still on a learning curve with the help of my disciplined intellectual capacity.    </p>
<p>I had contemplated on the likelihood scenario of DASSY leaving the country and potentially becoming another Dalai Lama of Burma. And I am not sure even if the military will let her leave the country now, may be or may be not, as situations are not the same as in 1999 when her husband Dr. Michael Aris died in England. And also depends upon what implications that might effect on them by letting her leave the country. If they can contain her under house arrest until such a time that they can establish a legal military control civilian government in Burma, perhaps by 2010 according to their time table.</p>
<p>Thus, there are no clear cut answers to those questions, and hence I called for the ‘debate’ to discuss on this important matter, which could have a long time effect on our strategy. All pro and cons could be addressed on this matter formally at the forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Sein Myint, wise and learned as you may be you seems to have overlooked the fact that if Daw Suu were to leave the country an campaign from outside, you might have a strong and unified NCGUB or government in exile with another name. In my opinion, you&#039;ll be playing right into the hands of the military regime. They were the ones who wanted Daw Suu to leave not the other way around. Do you know or care why Daw Suu has been putting up with this detention for years now?
Sir, you don&#039;t have to look far what can become of a leader when he or she is removed from his or her country - His Holiness Dalai Lama should not escape your mind.
Since you had a Doctorate as a title in front of your name I expect you to be well read and has a thinking mind of that level. Provided that you&#039;ve come across a thesis called &quot;Strategic Interaction&quot; you wouldn&#039;t need me to point out that you shouldn&#039;t underestimate yourself too much.
You are now aware that the military regime is assured itself of the people in Burma have no other choice but to accept the constitution it has drafted and the form og government it wanted elected subsequently, then it&#039;s up to us to form a &#039;counter strategy&#039;. The conventional wisdom is that, to every strategy there is a counter strategy. 
Since we are not comparable to the power that the military regime has we can never confront them in a direct way. We know that the regime is going to use USDA and other paid thugs as their agents to get what they want then it&#039;s up to us to prepare the people inside the country to be ready for that onslaught. In this age of mass communication, with a bid of funding, you should be able to get what you need for the purpose. 
You must not forget that the military regime is an authoritarian regime. Naturally it will have the characteristics of such a regime - first, the authority for making domestic and foreign policy is restricted to a single or a small group of people; second, they maintain strict control over public access to information about the consequences of domestic and foreign policies; and finally, public attempts to criticise or change domestic or foreign policy are often punishable by severe sanctions, such as death, torture or indefinite imprisonment.
We must have to find a way to overcome these or out witted them with some smart strategy.
As you may have already learnt from news report that their intelligence apparatus is not up to the task and what best opportunity to exploit this. Since they seek to deny the public access to information then shouldn&#039;t our priority be &#039;providing information the public&#039; with means that are available to us?  I understand that FM radio is easy to run and very mobile. The people in Burma may not have access to the internet but nobody can stop them from tuning into BBC or other radio programs.
You have to admit that our government in exile has been caught sleeping on the wheel. Look at the situation in Kenya, it wasn&#039;t clear that the opposition has won the elections. The dispute over the elections results may have cause about a thousand been killed but the United Nations response to that crisis was that the former UN Secretary General Kofi Anan as well as the current UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon were getting their hands on into finding a solution.  We have more body counts that Kenya and our opposition WON the elections in a landslide. Why should we be satisfied with a UN Envoy who was alleged to have been content with being given a new name by the people in the know as &#039;Kyauk-yu-pyan&#039;?
I once asked an American friend why there is little or no support from the UN on Burma issue even though we have our so-called government in exile living there? The answer he gave me was &quot;the people who are supposed to represent us were lazy; they have done very little for the US Congressman or Senator to work on.&quot; How sad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Sein Myint, wise and learned as you may be you seems to have overlooked the fact that if Daw Suu were to leave the country an campaign from outside, you might have a strong and unified NCGUB or government in exile with another name. In my opinion, you&#8217;ll be playing right into the hands of the military regime. They were the ones who wanted Daw Suu to leave not the other way around. Do you know or care why Daw Suu has been putting up with this detention for years now?<br />
Sir, you don&#8217;t have to look far what can become of a leader when he or she is removed from his or her country &#8211; His Holiness Dalai Lama should not escape your mind.<br />
Since you had a Doctorate as a title in front of your name I expect you to be well read and has a thinking mind of that level. Provided that you&#8217;ve come across a thesis called &#8220;Strategic Interaction&#8221; you wouldn&#8217;t need me to point out that you shouldn&#8217;t underestimate yourself too much.<br />
You are now aware that the military regime is assured itself of the people in Burma have no other choice but to accept the constitution it has drafted and the form og government it wanted elected subsequently, then it&#8217;s up to us to form a &#8216;counter strategy&#8217;. The conventional wisdom is that, to every strategy there is a counter strategy.<br />
Since we are not comparable to the power that the military regime has we can never confront them in a direct way. We know that the regime is going to use USDA and other paid thugs as their agents to get what they want then it&#8217;s up to us to prepare the people inside the country to be ready for that onslaught. In this age of mass communication, with a bid of funding, you should be able to get what you need for the purpose.<br />
You must not forget that the military regime is an authoritarian regime. Naturally it will have the characteristics of such a regime &#8211; first, the authority for making domestic and foreign policy is restricted to a single or a small group of people; second, they maintain strict control over public access to information about the consequences of domestic and foreign policies; and finally, public attempts to criticise or change domestic or foreign policy are often punishable by severe sanctions, such as death, torture or indefinite imprisonment.<br />
We must have to find a way to overcome these or out witted them with some smart strategy.<br />
As you may have already learnt from news report that their intelligence apparatus is not up to the task and what best opportunity to exploit this. Since they seek to deny the public access to information then shouldn&#8217;t our priority be &#8216;providing information the public&#8217; with means that are available to us?  I understand that FM radio is easy to run and very mobile. The people in Burma may not have access to the internet but nobody can stop them from tuning into BBC or other radio programs.<br />
You have to admit that our government in exile has been caught sleeping on the wheel. Look at the situation in Kenya, it wasn&#8217;t clear that the opposition has won the elections. The dispute over the elections results may have cause about a thousand been killed but the United Nations response to that crisis was that the former UN Secretary General Kofi Anan as well as the current UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon were getting their hands on into finding a solution.  We have more body counts that Kenya and our opposition WON the elections in a landslide. Why should we be satisfied with a UN Envoy who was alleged to have been content with being given a new name by the people in the know as &#8216;Kyauk-yu-pyan&#8217;?<br />
I once asked an American friend why there is little or no support from the UN on Burma issue even though we have our so-called government in exile living there? The answer he gave me was &#8220;the people who are supposed to represent us were lazy; they have done very little for the US Congressman or Senator to work on.&#8221; How sad?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sein Myint</title>
		<link>http://burmadigest.info/2008/01/28/do-we-need-a-democratic-government-in-exile-for-burma/comment-page-1/#comment-4907</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Sein Myint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prospect of stopping the Junta&#039;s &quot;Road Map&quot; is now quite futile, as we have witness the reactions form the international communities and the UN after the bloody Sept Saffron revolution. The US has done their best, in terms of diplomacy and economic sanctions, putting more pressure on the Junta and keep pushing Burma agenda at UNSC.

But, we have seen quite clearly how much affect they had on the Junta. Perhaps, some might argued that due to these pressures, the Junta have now set time table to implement their ‘road map’, that I don’t agree personally entirely. The Junta have their own reasons and agenda to kick start it.

The question that we need to ask ourselves, how do we stop it or can we stop it at all. Before we answer both questions, first we must ask another important question; what leverage do we (that mean Burmese democrats and Ethnics both inside and outside the country, and our key international supports) have to stop this process or at least make it become inclusive process as suggested by Ban Ki-Moon, UN SG. 

WE all know that the Junta has never wanted to talk to DAASK and NLD, and never ever intent to let go of the power in hand. Period.

Once the UN accepts the referendum date and willing to monitor the process, then the Junta wins surely on this round. As we can expect that they would get 99% YES votes either by hook or crook using their massive mobilized USDA and other pro-junta organizations in the balloting process. 

Can the NLD, 88 Students group and Buddhist Monks also counter mobilize a parallel mass opposition inside the country? It could be done, but there will be a lot of violence confrontation with the pro-junta groups and military, more beating, shooting and arrests.

In the mean time, what can the exile Burmese oppositions can do? Yes, there will lots of demonstrations, media campaign, international outcries, and any more? Will the UN send in peace keeping forces into Burma? Not likely. China and Russia will veto whatever UNSC resolutions against the Junta proposed the US and her allies. Can we see what role does the exile Burmese Government can do here? Not much in present state, except issuing condemnation statements and lobbying usual friendly nations.

Now, we can see the rational of having self reliance and strong unified exile government headed by DASSK (she needs to leave the country) to challenge the Junta in the long run. This idea might seem far fetched and even unrealistic base upon the key factor of whether DASSK will leave the country or not. And that debate should be taking seriously now if we are to prepare for the long fight against soon becoming a legal military/civilian government in Burma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prospect of stopping the Junta&#8217;s &#8220;Road Map&#8221; is now quite futile, as we have witness the reactions form the international communities and the UN after the bloody Sept Saffron revolution. The US has done their best, in terms of diplomacy and economic sanctions, putting more pressure on the Junta and keep pushing Burma agenda at UNSC.</p>
<p>But, we have seen quite clearly how much affect they had on the Junta. Perhaps, some might argued that due to these pressures, the Junta have now set time table to implement their ‘road map’, that I don’t agree personally entirely. The Junta have their own reasons and agenda to kick start it.</p>
<p>The question that we need to ask ourselves, how do we stop it or can we stop it at all. Before we answer both questions, first we must ask another important question; what leverage do we (that mean Burmese democrats and Ethnics both inside and outside the country, and our key international supports) have to stop this process or at least make it become inclusive process as suggested by Ban Ki-Moon, UN SG. </p>
<p>WE all know that the Junta has never wanted to talk to DAASK and NLD, and never ever intent to let go of the power in hand. Period.</p>
<p>Once the UN accepts the referendum date and willing to monitor the process, then the Junta wins surely on this round. As we can expect that they would get 99% YES votes either by hook or crook using their massive mobilized USDA and other pro-junta organizations in the balloting process. </p>
<p>Can the NLD, 88 Students group and Buddhist Monks also counter mobilize a parallel mass opposition inside the country? It could be done, but there will be a lot of violence confrontation with the pro-junta groups and military, more beating, shooting and arrests.</p>
<p>In the mean time, what can the exile Burmese oppositions can do? Yes, there will lots of demonstrations, media campaign, international outcries, and any more? Will the UN send in peace keeping forces into Burma? Not likely. China and Russia will veto whatever UNSC resolutions against the Junta proposed the US and her allies. Can we see what role does the exile Burmese Government can do here? Not much in present state, except issuing condemnation statements and lobbying usual friendly nations.</p>
<p>Now, we can see the rational of having self reliance and strong unified exile government headed by DASSK (she needs to leave the country) to challenge the Junta in the long run. This idea might seem far fetched and even unrealistic base upon the key factor of whether DASSK will leave the country or not. And that debate should be taking seriously now if we are to prepare for the long fight against soon becoming a legal military/civilian government in Burma.</p>
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		<title>By: Salai Thang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salai Thang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Tetto Aung,
Its nothing knew about the activist should sacrifice.  I&#039;m fully agree the need of sacrification.  
I think We should also talk about action in another topic too.  I hope you will be the forehead for this issue.  I will really want to see you there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Tetto Aung,<br />
Its nothing knew about the activist should sacrifice.  I&#8217;m fully agree the need of sacrification.<br />
I think We should also talk about action in another topic too.  I hope you will be the forehead for this issue.  I will really want to see you there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
		<link>http://burmadigest.info/2008/01/28/do-we-need-a-democratic-government-in-exile-for-burma/comment-page-1/#comment-4885</link>
		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Salai Thang,
If you think that because someone is an intellectual, he or she will be good at governing is a myth. There are lots of intelligent people who are worse than a fool with a good heart. You&#039;re not looking for a cooking recipe here, are you? If you are then I must say that you&#039;ll be pretty disappointed.
Have you really digest yourself what the word &#039;democracy&#039; meant for you? It a word meant for many people in many ways. Even a dictator or a tyrant like U Ne Win and Than Shwe can talk about democracy. Haven&#039;t they been doing that since day one - the day they staged a mock coup?
Do you think it&#039;s the right time to be talking about forming a government when our emergent need is to work out how to confront the military regime&#039;s steps to chart their so-called road map?
To me, you seems like a person wondering about your sore lips when the the &#039;moke-hsi-kyaw&#039; hasn&#039;t been made. If the military regime is successful in shoving their kind of &#039;democratic government&#039; down the throat of our people, our years of suffering will be prolong and hard. Remember what Churchill said about the war, &quot;it&#039;ll be long, hard and bloody&quot;. 
You and I may be lucky to be out and have the opportunity to enjoy the full benefit of &#039;democracy&#039; for which it had been gained for us at the sacrifice of many lives. We can have a good night sleep without fear of being taken away in the dead of night; we can be free from &#039;thought police&#039; and speak our minds; we can expect fair trial if we are being accused of any crime. Our brothers and sisters do not have these luxuries and we are duty bound by blood to help them in any way we can. Just because one if fortunate to get an opportunity to be educated doesn&#039;t mean that one has to right to gain a good position in the future government, if there is to be one in the future. One will have a role to play as an intellectual but not without making the sacrifice. There&#039;s definitey no room for opportunists or political vultures.
Like Kennedy, one has to ask oneself, &quot;Ask not what Burma can do for you but what you can do for Burma.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Salai Thang,<br />
If you think that because someone is an intellectual, he or she will be good at governing is a myth. There are lots of intelligent people who are worse than a fool with a good heart. You&#8217;re not looking for a cooking recipe here, are you? If you are then I must say that you&#8217;ll be pretty disappointed.<br />
Have you really digest yourself what the word &#8216;democracy&#8217; meant for you? It a word meant for many people in many ways. Even a dictator or a tyrant like U Ne Win and Than Shwe can talk about democracy. Haven&#8217;t they been doing that since day one &#8211; the day they staged a mock coup?<br />
Do you think it&#8217;s the right time to be talking about forming a government when our emergent need is to work out how to confront the military regime&#8217;s steps to chart their so-called road map?<br />
To me, you seems like a person wondering about your sore lips when the the &#8216;moke-hsi-kyaw&#8217; hasn&#8217;t been made. If the military regime is successful in shoving their kind of &#8216;democratic government&#8217; down the throat of our people, our years of suffering will be prolong and hard. Remember what Churchill said about the war, &#8220;it&#8217;ll be long, hard and bloody&#8221;.<br />
You and I may be lucky to be out and have the opportunity to enjoy the full benefit of &#8216;democracy&#8217; for which it had been gained for us at the sacrifice of many lives. We can have a good night sleep without fear of being taken away in the dead of night; we can be free from &#8216;thought police&#8217; and speak our minds; we can expect fair trial if we are being accused of any crime. Our brothers and sisters do not have these luxuries and we are duty bound by blood to help them in any way we can. Just because one if fortunate to get an opportunity to be educated doesn&#8217;t mean that one has to right to gain a good position in the future government, if there is to be one in the future. One will have a role to play as an intellectual but not without making the sacrifice. There&#8217;s definitey no room for opportunists or political vultures.<br />
Like Kennedy, one has to ask oneself, &#8220;Ask not what Burma can do for you but what you can do for Burma.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Salai Thang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salai Thang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revisiting to the article, we are talking about how to formulate democratic government of Burma?  If we can creat a democractic government it will become &quot;a norm government&quot; for the whole countrymen/women.  
Though, Will it be ended our revolution movement!! whether, eventhough a strong group or powerful people suppport to present military democracy.
I&#039;m very appreciate both of you have many thing to bargain and broad political knowledges.  It can be very useful for other topics.  Here it cannot be vague, it must not destroy tommorrow what today we build.
For practical, It is not difficult if to do so, don&#039;t look further just gather knowledge base or intellectual from all the groups and ethnics, which is needed one.  Forum must open to all, inclusively.    It is knownable intellectual base will be enough and its as the main role in this policy/structure issue.
So Its upto you how you like to future Burma government, just similar democracy style in near by neighboring, for a short time, or to be one of the best democracy in Asia...Don&#039;t forget if we are follower, we are in behind of regional competition...
As long as there is a norm, the people will never give consent &#039;yes&#039; for other than the norm one.  So there will be a will if there is a basic/principle norm.   The least but not the last!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revisiting to the article, we are talking about how to formulate democratic government of Burma?  If we can creat a democractic government it will become &#8220;a norm government&#8221; for the whole countrymen/women.<br />
Though, Will it be ended our revolution movement!! whether, eventhough a strong group or powerful people suppport to present military democracy.<br />
I&#8217;m very appreciate both of you have many thing to bargain and broad political knowledges.  It can be very useful for other topics.  Here it cannot be vague, it must not destroy tommorrow what today we build.<br />
For practical, It is not difficult if to do so, don&#8217;t look further just gather knowledge base or intellectual from all the groups and ethnics, which is needed one.  Forum must open to all, inclusively.    It is knownable intellectual base will be enough and its as the main role in this policy/structure issue.<br />
So Its upto you how you like to future Burma government, just similar democracy style in near by neighboring, for a short time, or to be one of the best democracy in Asia&#8230;Don&#8217;t forget if we are follower, we are in behind of regional competition&#8230;<br />
As long as there is a norm, the people will never give consent &#8216;yes&#8217; for other than the norm one.  So there will be a will if there is a basic/principle norm.   The least but not the last!</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Sein Myint, one shouldn&#039;t surprised why Singapore is saying that as a positive step. Under the circumstances it&#039;s losing a lot of dirty money invested in the City State, its international image is tarnished as well. Whatever step the SPDC takes to gain a bit of credibility in some sector will be a plus for Singapore&#039;s interests.
Do you think that Singapore will survive if Burma were to be governed by a democratic government? Look apart from living off the back of migrants it does not have much as natural resources. Shipping through Malacca Straits will become a rare thing if the trade route across Trincomalee - Burma&#039;s Arakan coast enroute to Yunnan becomes a reality. Singapore has much to thank for that idiots like Than Shwe and his lot are in government. After his death they might even build a shrine for him not even Ne Win was a cash cow for them.
If one can think logically, isn&#039;t it obvious the SPDC will not invite any organisation that will and can effectively monitor the voting? Even with the UN the outcome in Cambodia was not what it should be.
The bottom line is, we can&#039;t depend on anyone but ourselves. If people have enough courage to defy then the military stranglehold of the country can be broken, if not we&#039;ll be slaves for ad infinitum. But to do nothing is to endorse gross injustice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Sein Myint, one shouldn&#8217;t surprised why Singapore is saying that as a positive step. Under the circumstances it&#8217;s losing a lot of dirty money invested in the City State, its international image is tarnished as well. Whatever step the SPDC takes to gain a bit of credibility in some sector will be a plus for Singapore&#8217;s interests.<br />
Do you think that Singapore will survive if Burma were to be governed by a democratic government? Look apart from living off the back of migrants it does not have much as natural resources. Shipping through Malacca Straits will become a rare thing if the trade route across Trincomalee &#8211; Burma&#8217;s Arakan coast enroute to Yunnan becomes a reality. Singapore has much to thank for that idiots like Than Shwe and his lot are in government. After his death they might even build a shrine for him not even Ne Win was a cash cow for them.<br />
If one can think logically, isn&#8217;t it obvious the SPDC will not invite any organisation that will and can effectively monitor the voting? Even with the UN the outcome in Cambodia was not what it should be.<br />
The bottom line is, we can&#8217;t depend on anyone but ourselves. If people have enough courage to defy then the military stranglehold of the country can be broken, if not we&#8217;ll be slaves for ad infinitum. But to do nothing is to endorse gross injustice.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Sein Myint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Sein Myint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear U Tettoe Aung,  I couldn’t agree more with you on that China has a hand in this process, as there have been regular exchange visits between China Communist Party leadership and USDA leaders in past years. And they are quite unlikely to think out-of the box, thus will certainly follow the footsteps of their “God-father” Ne Win’s BSPP ways and means.

They must have also looked into this legality of the referendum as well. And if I could guess it, they would asked the UN to do the monitoring of the process to make it legal. And just like in Cambodia election, Hun Sen had won the election quite easily under the UN supervisions, although the oppositions cried foul play in many places.

I believe, SPDC now feel much confident about getting majority “YES” votes on the referendum in May, ( I could recalled the referendum on BSPP 1974 constitution that got 99% Yes votes nation wide, and I was quite surprised to hear the result of our local polling station declared 100% &#039;YES&#039; votes while at least we (me and my father and others) had voted - NO) , giving little time for any one to take part in the verification, clarification and  amendment of the draft constitution even if they are allowed to do so.  

So this referendum in May will be the repetition of 1974 affair, and just a matter of whether the UN is going to be there or not to make it look legal. If there are no so much oppositions from the international communities on this legal issue, they will certainly go ahead with their plan and will get another 99% YES votes. 

Country like Singapore is now saying this is the positive development, and likewise many pro-engagement proponents organization like the ICG have been talking to take this opportunity, in thier view hoping to establish political space where they can operate to get political reform in Burma eventually. No one can guarantee for sure that they would get invited to do so by the SPDC in the process.

And another fact that I think that play a significant role to set dates on both referendum and election is the health of Than Shwe, as you have stated in your second posting. The successions line up in Burmese military hierarchy has never been clear since Ne Win times, and the same goes for Than Shwe as well. I have been told that Than Shwe will take Maung Aye along with him when he becomes President after the election, assuming that they still win with majority even if NLD take part in it. 

That leaves the post of C-in-C of Defense to Shwe Mann or another younger protégé of Than Shwe, most likely Myint Shwe. of MI.  But rumors said that Maung Aye still wanted to be next C-in-C of Defense after Than Shwe and have been refusing to go along with Than Shwe to take one of the VP posts in new civilian-cum-military cabinet. So, my guess is that Maung Aye must have agreed now to give up his military post along with Than Shwe after 2010. Perhaps, in return, one of his men would be promoted to Deputy C-in-C Defense in his place Thus, it seems that every one must be happy with the formula and they are getting their acts together now to go for it. However, the NLD and DASSK was never considered and included in their formula right from the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear U Tettoe Aung,  I couldn’t agree more with you on that China has a hand in this process, as there have been regular exchange visits between China Communist Party leadership and USDA leaders in past years. And they are quite unlikely to think out-of the box, thus will certainly follow the footsteps of their “God-father” Ne Win’s BSPP ways and means.</p>
<p>They must have also looked into this legality of the referendum as well. And if I could guess it, they would asked the UN to do the monitoring of the process to make it legal. And just like in Cambodia election, Hun Sen had won the election quite easily under the UN supervisions, although the oppositions cried foul play in many places.</p>
<p>I believe, SPDC now feel much confident about getting majority “YES” votes on the referendum in May, ( I could recalled the referendum on BSPP 1974 constitution that got 99% Yes votes nation wide, and I was quite surprised to hear the result of our local polling station declared 100% &#8216;YES&#8217; votes while at least we (me and my father and others) had voted &#8211; NO) , giving little time for any one to take part in the verification, clarification and  amendment of the draft constitution even if they are allowed to do so.  </p>
<p>So this referendum in May will be the repetition of 1974 affair, and just a matter of whether the UN is going to be there or not to make it look legal. If there are no so much oppositions from the international communities on this legal issue, they will certainly go ahead with their plan and will get another 99% YES votes. </p>
<p>Country like Singapore is now saying this is the positive development, and likewise many pro-engagement proponents organization like the ICG have been talking to take this opportunity, in thier view hoping to establish political space where they can operate to get political reform in Burma eventually. No one can guarantee for sure that they would get invited to do so by the SPDC in the process.</p>
<p>And another fact that I think that play a significant role to set dates on both referendum and election is the health of Than Shwe, as you have stated in your second posting. The successions line up in Burmese military hierarchy has never been clear since Ne Win times, and the same goes for Than Shwe as well. I have been told that Than Shwe will take Maung Aye along with him when he becomes President after the election, assuming that they still win with majority even if NLD take part in it. </p>
<p>That leaves the post of C-in-C of Defense to Shwe Mann or another younger protégé of Than Shwe, most likely Myint Shwe. of MI.  But rumors said that Maung Aye still wanted to be next C-in-C of Defense after Than Shwe and have been refusing to go along with Than Shwe to take one of the VP posts in new civilian-cum-military cabinet. So, my guess is that Maung Aye must have agreed now to give up his military post along with Than Shwe after 2010. Perhaps, in return, one of his men would be promoted to Deputy C-in-C Defense in his place Thus, it seems that every one must be happy with the formula and they are getting their acts together now to go for it. However, the NLD and DASSK was never considered and included in their formula right from the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Sein Myint, where there&#039;s a will there&#039;s a way. Don&#039;t you remember how Chileans living abroad managed to hound General Pinochet to his death? This was despite the fact that there was no International Criminal Court in existence, Baroness Thatcher was in power and unashamedly in support of the Chilean dictator, they did managed to get Pinochet.
At the moment, according to some news report, Than Shwe is said to be in need of medical treatment outside Burma, most likely in Singapore. Top lawyers are reported to have been trying hard to put him on trial with crimes against humanity. Singapore, as it always is with those people, for money they will sell their mother. You might be able to get hold of Than Shwe, if the price is right. Provided that he&#039;s too scared to get out then it will be for the better - he will have to die a slow and agonising death.
The military regime must be aware that Than Shwe is about to die. If and when he dies there bound to be a power vacuum and that&#039;s why the recent statement about the referendum and elections is to throw us off balance. If my guess is right, wouldn&#039;t it be the best time to do what we need to do?
If there&#039;s an indication of what is yet to come you don&#039;t have to look far from those anonymous bombings including the one in their capital. Doesn&#039;t it shows how incompetent their intelligence is?
Like I&#039;ve said, where ther&#039;s a will there&#039;s a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Sein Myint, where there&#8217;s a will there&#8217;s a way. Don&#8217;t you remember how Chileans living abroad managed to hound General Pinochet to his death? This was despite the fact that there was no International Criminal Court in existence, Baroness Thatcher was in power and unashamedly in support of the Chilean dictator, they did managed to get Pinochet.<br />
At the moment, according to some news report, Than Shwe is said to be in need of medical treatment outside Burma, most likely in Singapore. Top lawyers are reported to have been trying hard to put him on trial with crimes against humanity. Singapore, as it always is with those people, for money they will sell their mother. You might be able to get hold of Than Shwe, if the price is right. Provided that he&#8217;s too scared to get out then it will be for the better &#8211; he will have to die a slow and agonising death.<br />
The military regime must be aware that Than Shwe is about to die. If and when he dies there bound to be a power vacuum and that&#8217;s why the recent statement about the referendum and elections is to throw us off balance. If my guess is right, wouldn&#8217;t it be the best time to do what we need to do?<br />
If there&#8217;s an indication of what is yet to come you don&#8217;t have to look far from those anonymous bombings including the one in their capital. Doesn&#8217;t it shows how incompetent their intelligence is?<br />
Like I&#8217;ve said, where ther&#8217;s a will there&#8217;s a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Sein Myint, Daw Suu has pointed out the &#039;obvious&#039;, the elephant in the room, that the SPDC was never serious in these so-called talks. People should be able to pick out the clues when the military regime was never serious in handing over power in any shape or form. It&#039;s just a stalling tactics, just biding time to weasel itself out of trouble.
If we try and stop the referendum we will fall into their trap of disrupting their road to democracy. We&#039;ll become the villains who do not want democratic change. We can go along and make sure the people say &quot;NO&quot;.
It also depends on what in what sort of atmosphere it is going to be held. If there are no &#039;observers&#039; then even if it&#039;s a &#039;yes&#039; it will not have legitimacy at all. In law, if something is illegal in the beginning it can not be legal in the end. The elections of 1990 was said by the military regime for the election of representatives to write the constitution, then why should anybody accept the constitution, which is the product of the National Convention without representatives from the party (NLD and other minor parties who won the elections) will it be legitimate by their own rules?
I believe that a constitution has been drafted with a majority input including the ethnic minorities which could be handed over to the people to make their choice. That&#039;s the least we can do.
China will not and can not oppose to the process since it is also trying to go along that line when it comes to &#039;democratisation&#039;. It allows candidates outside the Communist Party to be elected in elections at lower or basic levels of the administration but once the candidate has been elected by popular vote of the villagers, he or she was recruited to the party; therefore the party leadership is maintained. I suspect that China might even have a hand in this or the regime cannot think outside the box - following what U Ne Win had done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Sein Myint, Daw Suu has pointed out the &#8216;obvious&#8217;, the elephant in the room, that the SPDC was never serious in these so-called talks. People should be able to pick out the clues when the military regime was never serious in handing over power in any shape or form. It&#8217;s just a stalling tactics, just biding time to weasel itself out of trouble.<br />
If we try and stop the referendum we will fall into their trap of disrupting their road to democracy. We&#8217;ll become the villains who do not want democratic change. We can go along and make sure the people say &#8220;NO&#8221;.<br />
It also depends on what in what sort of atmosphere it is going to be held. If there are no &#8216;observers&#8217; then even if it&#8217;s a &#8216;yes&#8217; it will not have legitimacy at all. In law, if something is illegal in the beginning it can not be legal in the end. The elections of 1990 was said by the military regime for the election of representatives to write the constitution, then why should anybody accept the constitution, which is the product of the National Convention without representatives from the party (NLD and other minor parties who won the elections) will it be legitimate by their own rules?<br />
I believe that a constitution has been drafted with a majority input including the ethnic minorities which could be handed over to the people to make their choice. That&#8217;s the least we can do.<br />
China will not and can not oppose to the process since it is also trying to go along that line when it comes to &#8216;democratisation&#8217;. It allows candidates outside the Communist Party to be elected in elections at lower or basic levels of the administration but once the candidate has been elected by popular vote of the villagers, he or she was recruited to the party; therefore the party leadership is maintained. I suspect that China might even have a hand in this or the regime cannot think outside the box &#8211; following what U Ne Win had done.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sein Myint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Sein Myint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, the message that Daw Suu had tried to deliver thru her NLD senior colleagues to the people &quot;to prepare for the worst” could be that she did not expect any positive results from her meetings with Aung Kyi, and to warn the people of SPDC decision to drive thru their “road map” without participation of the NLD and democratic ethnics parties.

There should not be a surprise of the SPDC&#039;s referendum date in May, as their draft constitution have long been done, just waiting for the right time to declare. And their propsoed election date of 2010 can be change to any further dates if they feel that they are not sure of winning it.

Obviously by setting the dates for the referendum and election, SPDC have employed again their old trick to throw off-balance the international communities and the UN, who have been consistently asking them to set time table for the implementation of their “road map”.

And now, they have cleverly put the ball in the opposition democratic parties’ court, whether they are prepared to participate in the election under their terms, i.e. SPDC constitutions that is most likely to be approved in the coming May referendum, similar the previous BSPP 1994 constitution. And they have enough civilian cohorts to make this happen one way or another.

What would happen next, if NLD refuse to accept the May referendum and boycott the 2010 election, would depends upon the positions and responses of international communities and the UN, first on the referendum, and second, the subsequent 2010 election without NLD and democratic ethnic parties participation.  

 Most certainly, the US and some key EU members will not recognized the results of May referendum without NLD participation. However, lead by regional super powers like China and India with Russia support, the ASEAN group is likely to toe the line along regional consensus, likely to accpet and recognize the referendum results. Then the UN will now be facing political dilemma caught between the two opposing groups.  

Once there is a split between the international communities, the SPDC shall be triumph of the major political campaign and would easily sail across the winning line in 2010 unless some drastic events are taken place inside the country.

How can we stop SPDC’s referendum? What support the exile democracy movement can give to achieve this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, the message that Daw Suu had tried to deliver thru her NLD senior colleagues to the people &#8220;to prepare for the worst” could be that she did not expect any positive results from her meetings with Aung Kyi, and to warn the people of SPDC decision to drive thru their “road map” without participation of the NLD and democratic ethnics parties.</p>
<p>There should not be a surprise of the SPDC&#8217;s referendum date in May, as their draft constitution have long been done, just waiting for the right time to declare. And their propsoed election date of 2010 can be change to any further dates if they feel that they are not sure of winning it.</p>
<p>Obviously by setting the dates for the referendum and election, SPDC have employed again their old trick to throw off-balance the international communities and the UN, who have been consistently asking them to set time table for the implementation of their “road map”.</p>
<p>And now, they have cleverly put the ball in the opposition democratic parties’ court, whether they are prepared to participate in the election under their terms, i.e. SPDC constitutions that is most likely to be approved in the coming May referendum, similar the previous BSPP 1994 constitution. And they have enough civilian cohorts to make this happen one way or another.</p>
<p>What would happen next, if NLD refuse to accept the May referendum and boycott the 2010 election, would depends upon the positions and responses of international communities and the UN, first on the referendum, and second, the subsequent 2010 election without NLD and democratic ethnic parties participation.  </p>
<p> Most certainly, the US and some key EU members will not recognized the results of May referendum without NLD participation. However, lead by regional super powers like China and India with Russia support, the ASEAN group is likely to toe the line along regional consensus, likely to accpet and recognize the referendum results. Then the UN will now be facing political dilemma caught between the two opposing groups.  </p>
<p>Once there is a split between the international communities, the SPDC shall be triumph of the major political campaign and would easily sail across the winning line in 2010 unless some drastic events are taken place inside the country.</p>
<p>How can we stop SPDC’s referendum? What support the exile democracy movement can give to achieve this?</p>
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		<title>By: Tettoe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tettoe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with outside intervention, particularly armed intervention. One must be pretty naive to expect intervention when there is no vital interests for the powers who are in position to do so.
Though said, one must accept in spite of it&#039;s declared &#039;non-intervention&#039; policies both China and Thailand are interfering in the domestic affairs of Burma. As long as they can keep the military regime in power they are assured of having a good deal in keeping their energy needs secure.
People inside the country almost have no political space to move. It is crucial that we, those who are outside, have to do in any way we can to stop the regime from getting what it intends to. 
The so-called government in exile must and have to be the uniting factor and the people who are in it must step up to their role. Unlike those MPs who was found dead while on his trip to sell gems and so on. The people&#039;s perception of their leaders must be morally incorruptible and ready to put the interest of the people ahead of their own.
Whether outside intervention will materialise or not will depends on how it fits in with the interests of others. For example, China has much at stake if the military regime were to fall. Unlike Burma China has considered the economic well being of its citizens as crucial in the stability of the country. China is worried that if there is no political stability in Burma, especially if it&#039;s targeted against the Chinese living and working in the country, there will be a great impact on it as well. 
You&#039;ll have to understand that they are one of the communities in Southeast Asia (as well as in the Pacific islands) who will have to bear the brunt of racial violence.
China, because of its support for the military regime and its sales of arms, will have to pay the price for sure if and when there is a tip in the balance in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with outside intervention, particularly armed intervention. One must be pretty naive to expect intervention when there is no vital interests for the powers who are in position to do so.<br />
Though said, one must accept in spite of it&#8217;s declared &#8216;non-intervention&#8217; policies both China and Thailand are interfering in the domestic affairs of Burma. As long as they can keep the military regime in power they are assured of having a good deal in keeping their energy needs secure.<br />
People inside the country almost have no political space to move. It is crucial that we, those who are outside, have to do in any way we can to stop the regime from getting what it intends to.<br />
The so-called government in exile must and have to be the uniting factor and the people who are in it must step up to their role. Unlike those MPs who was found dead while on his trip to sell gems and so on. The people&#8217;s perception of their leaders must be morally incorruptible and ready to put the interest of the people ahead of their own.<br />
Whether outside intervention will materialise or not will depends on how it fits in with the interests of others. For example, China has much at stake if the military regime were to fall. Unlike Burma China has considered the economic well being of its citizens as crucial in the stability of the country. China is worried that if there is no political stability in Burma, especially if it&#8217;s targeted against the Chinese living and working in the country, there will be a great impact on it as well.<br />
You&#8217;ll have to understand that they are one of the communities in Southeast Asia (as well as in the Pacific islands) who will have to bear the brunt of racial violence.<br />
China, because of its support for the military regime and its sales of arms, will have to pay the price for sure if and when there is a tip in the balance in power.</p>
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